Comments on: A Norwegian tea party movement? http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/ 256 words or less - or your money back! Sat, 04 May 2013 17:25:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Gazademonstrasjoner og Tea Party-bevegelsen – samme sak? « Bjørn Stærk's Max 256 Blog http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-713 Sat, 05 Jun 2010 06:33:32 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-713 […] høres kjent ut. For noen måneder siden hadde jeg den samme debatten.  Da gjaldt det den amerikanske Tea Party-bevegelsen.  Jeg skrev at en slik grasrotbevegelse burde vurderes utifra hva de alle har til felles, […]

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-712 Thu, 13 May 2010 15:56:11 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-712 Yeah. The question is: When it comes to a popular grassroots movement, should you look at what some guy put on a sign at some protest, or at what all these people have in common?

I actually don’t have a clear answer to that – it’s possible that the willingness of the “sensible” protesters to tolerate the “wackoes” reveals something bad about them as well. But to just say that some guy may have shouted ‘nigger’ once is not very relevant, unless you can show that this is common, or that most people there were okay with that.

The demographics of the protesters is particularly irrelevant. It does not prove a racist factor, just a socioeconomic factor. In fact, the Reason article I linked to had an interesting video with interviews with black Tea Party protesters. I find these and ot her videos with interviews and speeches, which are easy to find, really illuminating. Now _maybe_ these are the only sane people there, but it seems more likely to me that there’s some stereotyping here about angry, gun-waving, racist right-wingers.

I’m not saying those people don’t exist, though, and I’m sure they too show up at these protests. But that’s kind of the point: Can you imagine any sort of major grassroots movement that will not also attract wackoes? I can’t. Which means – are we saying that grassroots movements are inherently evil? That unless there’s an organization with a clear vision in charge, who can throw out anyone they don’t like, the only responsible thing is to shun the entire movement?

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By: Konrad http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-711 Thu, 13 May 2010 15:31:37 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-711 Update: Did you read Strømmens comment “Dubious freedom fighters”?
http://fritanke.no/KOMMENTAR/2010/Tvilsomme_frihetskjempere/

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-710 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:12:40 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-710 Not so strange. There seems to me quite some overlap here with both the libertarian and the populist impulses in the Progress Party. They even started out as a grassroots tax protest movement themselves. And despite the big government stuff, I think their feelings about private enterprise, and their outrage at unnecessary regulations, are genuine. It’s just at that, um, they also want to spend lots and lots of money.

But let’s turn it around: Could you imagine any _other_ Norwegian party inviting this guy?

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By: Konrad http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-709 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:30:11 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-709 The Progress Party (Frp) supports big government in key areas such health care. Tea party movement generally opposes big government, particularly in health care. Strange bed fellows indeed.

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By: Sprudlum http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-708 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:44:18 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-708 Litt Tea Party propaganda fra YouTube :

Om ikke annet, så viser den i hvert fall at idéene om frihet og uavhengighet for individet har en ganske annen folkelig forankring enn i Norge.

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By: Lord Bassington-Bassington http://max256.bearstrong.net/2010/04/25/a-norwegian-tea-party-movement/#comment-707 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:20:07 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=1974#comment-707 I don’t agree with much of what the Progress Party or the Tea Party movement stands for. But your observations on both are amazingly accurate and insightful. Thank you for being a voice of sanity yet again.

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