Comments on: New essay: On Bruce Bawer and Islam criticism after 22/7 http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/ 256 words or less - or your money back! Sat, 04 May 2013 17:25:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Martin Knutsen http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1088 Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:04:44 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1088 Does anyone else but me find it strange that Bruce Bawer ran away from the debate?

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By: Johan Eriksson http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1087 Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:24:19 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1087 If you would have erased bloggers from your original comment you would be spot on, Right-wing anti-islamics is often mirror images of Islamists. The same goes for almost all fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists work very much the same way as islamist do and so on and so forth.

The thing that strikes me very often when discussing these kind of issues with Swedish Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna) (I’m Swedish) is that many of them lack the skill of criticising their own sources, the have a very hard time to admit faults, even minor ones, in their own party or the leaders of that party. Which in my mind resembles fundamentalism a lot, I took a course about fundamentalism at University and the thing that my professor talked about as the most apparent sign of fundamentalism is that you believe in an absolute truth, your way is correct and everyone else is wrong. You can definitely see this kind of behavior in Breivik, but what scares me is that you can also see it in a lot of the comments and posts on these anti-islamic blogs.

I enjoyed your article a lot, thank you for a good read.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1086 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:15:35 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1086 “I think most of these right wing anti islamic bloggers are mirror image of Islamists. as for terror is concerned,”

Remember that Islamists have a tradition for violence, whereas all these bloggers are explicitly anti-violent. But when it comes to Breivik, I agree that he is a mirror image of Islamist terrorists. There’s the same conspiracy theories, the same fanaticism – even the same tendency to attack your “own” people instead of the supposed enemy.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1085 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:15:12 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1085 “But my consent runs deeper. To the point that I have to admit that your critisism is just as valid towards the political left I often consider myself to be a part of.”

Yes, for instance in the way many find excuses for Islamist movements and terrorism. And, a generation ago, there were the leftist terrorist groups and tyrant apologists of the 70s.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1084 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:14:29 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1084 “I might be mistaken, but the way I read you is that no (word-based) criticism could or should be uttered (be it right wing or left wing), because criticism ultimately can lead to violence. ”

Yes, you’re mistaken. ;)

I’m talking about the difference between saying “all Muslim immigration should stop because we’re unable to integrate them into our culture” and “our politicians are traitors who secretly conspire with Arab leaders to turn Europe in Eurabia, and the result will be a civil war with the Muslims”.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1083 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:13:55 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1083 “Hes listed this book as a favourite, and named his manifest 2083 – perhaps we should ban talking negatively of Big Brother aswell?”

I’m not talking about bans. As far as I know, _nobody_ in Norway at the moment is talking about banning speech.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1082 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:13:28 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1082 “Anders Breivik didn’t get his ideas to massacre white non-Muslim children from any blogger, it was his own idea.”

Yes. At the same time, he shared their worldview, a worldview where political opponents are labelled traitors, and there is an expectation of a coming civil war with the Muslims of Europe. I’m not blaming them, just pointing out a fact they should find deeply disturbing.

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By: Bjørn Stærk http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1081 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:12:43 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1081 “We should be pleased, indeed very pleased, to see that islamisation-critics abhors Breivik´s actions.”

Yes, but they are dishonest when they pretend that the potential for violence is not implicit in their worldview. Fjordman, for instance, has questioned the legitimacy of our democratic system, because the political elites (the targets for the attack) prevent any meaningful opposition to their beliefs. Well, what does a people do when they live under an illegitimate political system?

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By: Sandeep http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1080 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:53:56 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1080 I think most of these right wing anti islamic bloggers are mirror image of Islamists. as for terror is concerned, i think using violence or non-violence is a tactical question. both of these groups are parnnoid patriarchal and strongly anti democratic although degrees of it may vary.

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By: lia molenaar og jostein røe http://max256.bearstrong.net/2011/07/26/new-essay-on-bruce-bawer-and-islam-criticism-after-227/#comment-1079 Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:52:40 +0000 http://max256.bearstrong.net/?p=4331#comment-1079 We agree with you. We belong to the center of the Norwegian politics. We are touched by the essay and agree with Fnurkel. We think people with a moderate and a nuanced view should debate more and “scream louder” both within the anti-islamic bloggosphere and within the pro-islamic blogghosphere. We think a lack of knowledge at both sides makes it easy to play on the feelings of fear and use this to get power and to manipulate the politics in the way they want to. Fear is a bad adviser!

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