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Summary: This posting is a part of the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
	 file for the newsgroup soc.culture.nordic. Its purpose is to
	 introduce new readers to the group, provide some general information
	 about the Nordic countries (Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark and
	 Iceland) and to cover some of the topics frequently discussed in 
	 the group.
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       A Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) -file for the newsgroup
 
		  S O C . C U L T U R E . N O R D I C
		  ===================================
 
			       Featuring:
 
 
	*Sweden*					 *Denmark*
 			   +-----------------+	       
  *Norway*		   |#####| |#########|
			   |#####| |#########|	*Finland*
	     *Iceland*	   |		     |			    *Aland*
	   		   |#####| |#########|	
			   |#####| |#########|
     			   +-----------------+		*Greenland*
      *Faroe Islands*				     
 
 
 
			     And *much* more!
 
 
	 		  *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
			  |  Table of Contents  |
 			  *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
 
 
NOTE: A "!" signifies that no entry has been written yet.
 
      A "@" means that the entry isn't finished yet. (Actually, none of
      them are; you can always send material to expand or replace an 
      existing entry with).
 
 
	PART 1:  * Introduction to the group *
 
	1.1    Notes about the FAQ
	1.2    Welcome to soc.culture.nordic!
	1.3    What is 'Scandinavia'? What is 'Nordic'?
	1.4    What makes the Nordic countries a unity?
	1.5    What languages are welcome in s.c.n? 
	1.6    How many people read soc.culture.nordic?
 
 
	PART 2:  * Miscellaneous Nordic topics *
 
	2.1   The Sami (Lapp) minority of Sweden/Finland/Norway
!	2.2   The Great Whaling Debate
!	2.3   The Great Finnish-Swedish flamewar
	2.4   Scandinavian mythology
	2.5   Where to find electronic texts in Nordic languages?
	2.6   What about those horns in Viking helmets?
	2.7   Looking for a Nordic girl-friend?
	2.8   Need a Santa? Pick one of these!
@	2.9   Some Nordic recipies
	2.10  What is "Janteloven"?
	2.11  Not-so-Wagnerian Nordic mythology
	2.12  The soc.culture.nordic drinking game!
 
 
	PART 3:  * DENMARK *
 
	3.1    Fact Sheet
	3.2    General information
	3.3    History
	3.3.1  A list of Danish monarchs
	3.4    Main tourist attractions
	3.4.1  Getting there and getting around
@	3.4.2  Copenhagen, Sealand and surrounding islands 
@	3.4.3  Bornholm
!	3.4.4  Funen and surrounding islands
	3.4.5  Jutland
	3.5    Addresses; Internet and regular mail
	3.6    Danish literature, language, etc.
	3.6.1  The Danish alphabet
	3.6.2  The Danish language
!	3.6.3  Danish literature
	3.6.4  Books for learning Danish
 
 
	PART 4:  * FINLAND *
 
	4.1    Fact Sheet
	4.2    General information
	4.3    History
	4.3.1  A list of Grand Dukes and presidents of Finland
	4.4    The Finnish parliament and political parties
	4.5    Main tourist attractions
	4.5.1  Helsinki
	4.5.2  Turku
	4.5.3  Tampere
	4.5.4  Jyva"skyla"
	4.5.5  Other places of interest
	4.6    Addresses; Internet and regular mail
	4.7    What exactly is the Finnish sauna?
	4.8    Finnish literature, language, etc.
	4.8.1  Some of the classic works of Finnish literature
	4.8.2  Books for learning Finnish
 
 
	PART 5:  * ICELAND *
 
	5.1    Fact Sheet
	5.2    General information
	5.3    History
	5.4    Main tourist attractions
	5.5    Addresses; Internet and regular mail
 
 
	PART 6:  * NORWAY *
 
	6.1    Fact Sheet
!	6.2    General information
	6.3    History
@	6.4    Main tourist attractions
	6.5    Addresses; Internet and regular mail
@	6.6    Norwegian literature, language, etc.
 
 
 	PART 7:  * SWEDEN *
 
	7.1    Fact Sheet
	7.2    General information
	7.3    History
@	7.3.1  A list of Swedish monarchs
@	7.4    Main tourist attractions
	7.5    Addresses; Internet and regular mail
@	7.6    Swedish literature, books for learning Swedish, etc.
	7.7    Scania
 
 
	PART 8:  * Appendices *
 
	A      The Nordic graphemes FAQ
	B      Nordic shortwave radio schedules
 

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Subject: 1.1:  Notes about the FAQ

 
Copyright (c) 1994 by Antti Lahelma, all rights reserved.
 
This FAQ may not be distributed for any financial gain. Including it in 
a commercial collection or compilation without express permission of the 
author is illegal.
 
While every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information 
contained in this FAQ, the author and contributors do not assume any respon-
sibility for errors or damages resulting from the use of the information 
contained herein.
 
 
The FAQ isn't quite finished as it is: more information will be added, 
some of the more irrelevant parts may get deleted, corrections will be 
made, etc. In other words, it'll get better with time. But your help is
required; if you have anything in mind to add to the FAQ don't be shy
to contact me. All contributions, corrections and suggestions are warmly
welcomed. Flames aren't.
 
That some of the country sections are shorter than others does not imply
any personal prejudices or preferences of mine; it's simply because there 
has been much fewer contributions to the Norwegian section, for example, 
than to the Danish one. If you want to improve the situation, just grab your
keyboard and write something yourself.
 
FAQ started: 24 May 1994
 
Changes made since last version:
 
	Added article on Finnish political system, 
	General Intro to Sweden, expanded Finnish & Swedish history
	sections, rewrote the Scandinavia/Nordic stuff
 
Some of the people who have helped and sent contributions to me:
 
Ahrvid Engholm [ahrvid@stacken.kth.se>   Mauri Haikola [mjh@stekt.oulu.fi>
Lars Aronsson [aronsson@lysator.liu.se>  Bodil Gram [gram@coco.ihi.ku.dk>
Mats Dahlgren [mats@fenk.wau.nl>	 Malte Lewan [cfl@df.lth.se>
Roger Greenwald [roger@epas.utoronto.ca> Stan Brown [brown@ncoast.org>
Kari Yli-Kuha [yli-kuha@cs.tut.fi>	 Jens Chr. Madsen [madsen@scripps.edu>
Palle M Pedersen [palle@Think.COM>	 Ruth M. Sylte [rmsylte@uci.edu>
Einar Indridason [einari@rhi.hi.is>	 Hiski Haapoja [trhiha@uta.fi>
Halldor Arnason [harnason@u.washington.edu>
Gunnar Davidsson [gunnar.davidsson@nt.norut.no> 
 
Big thanks to all of you. And apologies to anyone I may have forgotten.
 
 
NB: The FAQ has been arranged in digest format. You should be able to
    jump from one article to the next one by pressing CTRL-G in many
    newsreaders, such as rn, trn or strn.
 
NB: The Nordic special letters have (for the most part; please ignore the
    inconsistencies for now) been transcribed in this FAQ as follows:
 
    letter	description		  	pronounced
    ------  	-----------		  	----------
      a"	'a' with umlauts		like the 'a' in 'hat'
      ae	written as a single letter	like the 'e' in 'bet'
      o"	'o' with umlauts		like the 'i' in 'bird'
      o/	'o' with a slash through it	like the 'i' in 'bird'
      aa	'a' with a ring above it	like the 'a' in 'claw'
 
 
   In Danish, 'aa' is still in some cases (for example in placenames like
   Aalborg) spelled that way, and not as an a-ring, which may
   cause some confusion. Finnish makes it even more confusing; if 'aa'
   appears in a Finnish word, it's not spelled with an a-ring, and it's
   not pronounced like the 'a' in 'claw', more like the 'a' in 'father'.
   (a long 'a', that is). I'll try to decide sometime in future how to solve
   the damned mess the special letters cause.
 
   More information about the Nordic letters and their use in the Internet
   can be found in the appendices, part 8 of the FAQ.
 

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Subject: 1.2  Welcome to soc.culture.nordic!

 
 If you're interested in the Nordic countries, and don't feel like
 subscribing to five individual mailing-lists, soc.culture.nordic is the
 best choice for a discussion forum you will find in the whole Internet.
 It is far from being perfect, of course; but then, few Usenet newsgroups
 can be described by that particular adjective.
 
 You will find that discussions here are not always on as profound topics
 as you might have hoped for, that certain threads never really die even
 though every imaginable argument has been presented already hundreds of 
 times, that these threads may, if they coincide, suffocate almost all other
 discussion in the newsgroup.
 
 You will find that there are hotheads who preach absurd gospels and cynics
 who perceive themselves as "net.vets", considering it their god-given right
 to flame newcomers who happen to ask the wrong questions, and that there is
 a good deal of U.S-bashing, Sweden-bashing, Norway-bashing and Finland-
 bashing (but curiously no Denmark-bashing :) going on most of the time.
 
 One of the purposes of this FAQ is in fact to decrease the amount of
 flaming and the frequency of the same old threads; if you're a newcomer, 
 please read through this FAQ, and you may be able to avoid some of the
 most common mistakes made by new SCNers (e.g posting a flamy article
 condemning Norwegian whaling, or starting an argument with Jarmo Ryyti. :)
 
 Sometimes the group may seem like a battle-ground in virtual reality, but
 don't be too alarmed by it. The Nordic countries are, in spite of
 everything, like a family; not a One Big Happy Family of Nations, no,
 just any old family with its small quarrels and fights. They just tend to
 grow out of proportion when we have no *real* problems or crises to fight 
 about. There are no great feelings of hatred between the different
 nationalities, few historical traumas, our prejudices about each other are
 pretty harmless, and so forth. If the quarreling annoys you, don't hesitate 
 to use your kill-file! It's simple! (If you don't know how it's done, check
 the "kill file FAQ" which is posted regularly to news.answers).
 
 Even as it is, s.c.n is a very calm and flame-free newsgroup compared 
 to many other groups in the soc.culture.* hierarchy. This group has many,
 many positive sides, too. For one thing, you will find that people in
 s.c.n are very helpful; post a question, and you're likely to get several
 long, detailed and well thought out replies that will answer everything you
 asked for, and probably also a whole lot of things you didn't ask for and
 weren't really even interested in. All five nationalities are well (some
 more, some less) represented by natives in this newsgroup, who have first-
 hand information on everything that goes on in their countries. There are
 many people who post valuable information on their own initiative, just to
 serve the group.
 
 But despite all this, please keep in mind that we're not walking (or
 typing :) encyclopaedias, so you *might* take the trouble to check your 
 local library before posting a very basic question to the group. Any 
 tourist guide will probably answer the question "Hi, I'm coming to visit
 [name of country>, what should I go and see?" better than we will, and
 a tourist guide won't get annoyed with you if you happen to be the 52nd
 person to have asked the same question this week. Try to be *specific*;
 explain your interests, and what exactly it is you would like to know.
 
 This applies to other types of questions as well (and after all, although
 questions about travelling are OK in soc.culture.nordic, this isn't a
 rec.travel group; travelers might consider posting to rec.travel.europe
 instead, or checking out the rec.travel archives at ftp.cc.umanitoba.edu,
 in the directory /rec-travel). At the very least, read through this FAQ
 and see if you can find an answer here. Try to save those questions for
 the group to which you know you won't be able to (easily) find an answer
 in the books. 
 
 When you do post, please try to keep it somehow related to Nordic matters.
 Sure, the group is unmoderated, so no one can control what you write. And
 it's not like you have to force the discussion on Nordic tracks if it
 should digress into something else. But nevertheless, as the name of the
 group implies, this *is* a group for discussing Nordic culture in all its
 forms; not American abortion-laws, Bill Clinton or Jesus. Keep this in
 mind when you start a new thread.
 
 Also, if possible, try to avoid cross-posting; that tends to generate
 threads that soon lose any connection to Nordic culture, and it's difficult
 to get the people in other newsgroups to remove s.c.n from their Newsgroups-
 line. If you want to post your query to several groups, consider posting
 it as separate articles instead.
 
 And one last thing: never trust the net for drawing conclusions about
 groups of people. You'll always get it wrong. We're not representative of
 the population layers of our countries, and most of us don't even attempt
 to represent anyone but ourselves. Don't fall into thinking "Gosh, those
 XXXXXs sure are a mighty weird/fanatic/stupid bunch of people." Treat us
 as individuals, and you'll have a better chance of being treated as an
 individual yourself. 
 
 All this being said: welcome to soc.culture.nordic! I hope you enjoy the 
 group! 
 

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Subject: 1.3  What is 'Scandinavia'? What is 'Nordic'?

 
 The Roman historian Pliny the Elder mentions in 67 CE an island called
 'Scadinauia' in the sea at the edge of the world, north of Germania. This,
 as it dawned much later to the civilized world, was in fact no island but
 the southern tip of Sweden, the province of Scania (Skaane). The name is
 thought to be related to the word 'skada', or "damage" that could be done
 to ships by the sand reefs outside southwestern Sweden. The '-avia' ending,
 on the other hand, probably comes from a word meaning 'island', cf. modern
 Norwegian 'o"ya'. Thus the original definition of the word 'Scandinavia'
 was purely geographical: it referred to the Scandinavian peninsula -- modern
 Sweden and Norway.
 
 Later, as people became more conscious of their culture, formed political
 unions, colonized previously uninhabited areas and conquered the land of 
 their neighbours, the definition of the word started to stretch. 'Scandi-
 navia' became more a political and cultural concept than a geographic one.
 And since cultural boundaries tend to be less clearly definable than 
 geographic ones, and political boundaries on the other hand move around 
 quite a bit, the current use of the word is a bit of a mess. 
 
 Another term used of the countries covered by this FAQ is, of course,
 "Nordic countries", coming originally from French ('Pays Nordiques'). It
 was at first used of "northern" (European) countries in general, but with
 the common political, economic and cultural development of Sweden, Denmark,
 Norway, Finland and Iceland, the term has in English become established as
 referring exclusively to said five countries. Some examples from dictionaries:
 
    [Webster's Third New International Dictionary] NORDIC  4. of or relating
    to Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland and Finland.
 
    [Oxford Reference Dictionary] NORDIC  2. of Scandinavia, Finland or
    Iceland.
 
 In the Nordic languages, one has the term NORDEN ("Pohjola" or "Pohjoismaat"
 in Finnish) which is commonly used of the five Nordic countries. Some have 
 tried to implant this term into English, but without much success so far. It
 does, however, occur every now and then in this newsgroup.
 
 The word 'Scandinavia' presents a bit more difficulties. In Nordic languages,
 the meaning is quite clear:
 
    Skandinavien:	Sweden, Denmark, Norway (and sometimes Iceland)
			-- the ancient lands of the Norsemen.
 
 But in English, alas, there seems to be no standard usage. This is mainly
 due to the fact that English lacks a simple and clear term for the five
 countries, and the word "Scandinavia" tends to be used for that purpose
 instead. The term "Nordic countries", in it's current definition, is a
 rather recent invention, it's meaning is a bit obscure especially to non-
 Europeans, it's awkward to use and to some people it carries unpleasant
 connotations of the Aryan "Nordic race". Therefore, you will find that it's
 quite common to define the word "Scandinavia" in English like this:
 
    [Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English] SCANDINAVIAN  1. of the
    countries Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland in northern
    Europe, or their people or languages.
 
 On the other hand, it is not uncommon to use the word "Scandinavia" in it's
 more limited definition. An example:
 
    [The Concise Oxford Dictionary] SCANDINAVIAN  1. a native or inhabitant
    of Scandinavia (Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Iceland).
 
 And some encyclopaedias put it like this:
 
    [The Random House Encyclopaedia]  SCANDINAVIA  1. region of northern
    Europe consisting of kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Denmark; culturally
    and historically Finland and Iceland are often considered part of this
    area.
 
 At the risk of disturbing some people's sleep, I will use 'Nordic' and 
 'Scandinavian' interchangeably throughout this FAQ, for practical reasons.
 You have been warned. :>
 
 In addition, it should be noted that after the fall of the Soviet Union,
 Latvia and especially Estonia have expressed a wish for extensive 
 co-opearation with the Nordic countries, emphasizing their many historical
 and cultural ties with Norden. If the Nordic Council manages to justify
 its existense even as Finland and Sweden have joined the EU (some
 politicians in the Nordic countries have questioned the importance of the
 NC in the current political situation), we may yet see Estonia and Latvia
 joining the NC.
 

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Subject: 1.4  What makes Nordic countries a unity?

 
 The forming of what we today know as "Nordic countries" is a rather complex
 historical process. This is also the reason why it's not a very tight unit.
 
 While the common cultural heritage and even political unions of the Nordic
 peoples go well beyond the renaissance, a conscious supra-national identity
 is a relatively recent development. After the splitting up of the Kalmar
 Union in early 16th century, Sweden-Finland and Denmark-Norway remained
 arch-enemies for almost three hundred years, fighting each other for the
 dominance of Scandinavia; political co-operation was for the most part out
 of the question.
 
 In the learned circles of the late 18th century, however, a movement known
 as Scandinavism started to spread with the growing realization of national
 identity on one hand and common cultural heritage on the other hand. At first
 this was limited to promoting cultural exchange, but in the 1830s a political
 Scandinavism was born among the students of Sweden and Denmark; it aimed to
 create a Nordic defence alliance and even to unite the countries as a single
 state.
 
 King Oskar I of Sweden, who was an enthusiastic Scandinavist, supported
 Denmark when the country was subjected to strong political pressure from
 Prussia in 1848-49, which increased the popularity of Scandinavism in
 Denmark. During the Crimean War of 1853-56 efforts were made to get Finns
 to embrace Scandinavism and Sweden planned to 'liberate' Finland from
 the yoke of the Russian Empire so that it could join the Scandinavian family,
 but at that time Finns were quite content with their autonomy and didn't
 show much enthusiasm for Scandinavism.
 
 Political Scandinavism collapsed by and large in 1864 when Denmark was
 attacked by Prussia and Austria. Although the reigning Swedish king Karl XV
 was an advocate of Scandinavism, the Riksdag (parliament) which had 
 grown in power had a more sceptical attitude, and decided not to send any
 troops to aid the Danes. In addition to this, the Norwegian independence
 movement started to cause tension between Norwegians and Swedes. Thus
 the dreams of a unified Scandinavia were abandoned, and Scandinavism came
 to be focused on cultural and economic co-operation, standardizing
 legistlation and acting together in international conferences. This co-
 operation has continued up to this date, although the word "Scandinavism"
 itself is no longer used. The main Nordic cultural and political organs are
 the Norden-societies in each country (founded in Swe/No/De in 1919, in Ice-
 land in 1922, Finland 1924, Faroes 1955, Aaland 1970), their umbrella
 organization founded in 1965, the Nordic Minister Council (1971), and most
 importantly the Nordic Council (1953), through which free movement of labour,
 common legistlation and passport-free travel have been introduced in the
 Nordic countries. A similar political profile has lead all the Nordic
 countries to develop into welfare states with a high social security and
 standard of living.
 
 Behind the political co-operation lie the factors that have made it possible
 in the first place. These include common cultural background, linguistic
 relationship, shared history, religion and geography. With the exception of
 religion, none of them is fully shared by all five countries, but even so,
 there are more things that unite us than ones that separate us. Here's short
 look on each of the categories:
 
 + culture: 	Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland shared a more or less
		homogenous 'viking' culture in the Viking Age (800-~1050
		CE), and Finland, while not strictly speaking a 'viking'
		country, did have a 'viking age' and a culture very close
		to its western neighbours, and at the close of Viking age
		was united into the Swedish kingdom. Scandinavian culture
		today could be described as a potpourri of this "original"
		culture, medieval German influence, French influence in the
		centuries that followed, and several other smaller sources,
		not forgetting local development and national romantic
		inventiveness, of course. A significant factor is also the
		fact that the Nordic countries never had an era of feodalism
		to speak of; personal freedom is highly valued here. The
		Nordics are rather heavy drinkers, the 'vodkabelt' goes right 
		through Finland, Sweden and Norway; the Danes are more of 
		a beer-drinking nation, but don't say no to a glass of 
		akvavit either. Smorgasbords with pickled herrings and open-
		faced sandwiches are no rare sight. Women are emancipated. 
		Cities are clean and well-functioning enough to make a Swiss 
		clocksmith feel at home. And so forth; myths and stereotypes
		about Scandinavia are many. Some them are, of course, less
		true than others, but their very existense illustrates the 
		fact that we do have quite a lot in common.
 
 + language	Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic and Faroese are all
		Germanic languages developed from the Old Norse spoken in
		Viking age Scandinavia. A Swede, a Dane and a Norwegian can
		understand each other with varying degrees of difficulties, 
		but none of them will fully undestand Icelandic or Faroese
		without studying the languages. Finnish is an entirely
		different case, it's a Finno-Ugric language related to 
		Estonian and Hungarian. There is, however, a Swedish-speaking
		minority in Finland, which ties it linguistically to Scan-
		dinavia. Also, Finnish is related to Sami, the language
		spoken in Norway, Sweden and Finland by the Sami or Lapps, 
		the aborigines of northern Scandinavia.
 
 + history	From the Viking age onwards, the Nordics have fought each
		other, formed unions with each other and ruled over each
		other. Sweden ruled over Finland for over 600 years, Denmark
		ruled over southern Sweden also for over 600 years (or,
		alternatively, Sweden has ruled over northern Denmark for
		the past 300 years) and	over Norway for nearly 500 years,
		while Norway ruled over Iceland for some 200 years and
		Denmark yet another 500 years, and the list goes on (but
		Finland hasn't ruled over anybody, and is very jealous
		because of that :). Unavoidably, this has caused some anti-
		pathies, butit has also made the Nordic cultures more uniform.
 
 + religion	The Germanic pagan religion has left it's marks on customs
		and festivals; celebrations with bonfires and maypoles mark 
		the Finnish and Swedish midsummer, and the Nordic Christmas
		bears many similarities to the midwinter feast of the vikings,
		starting with the word for Christmas (sw. Jul, fin. Joulu)
		which comes from the Old Germanic word "hjul", meaning the
		wheel of the year. Trolls and gnomes still inhabit Nordic 
		households, although the once revered and feared mythical 
		beings have been reduced to the lowly caste of smurfs and
		other soft toys.
 
		The Nordic countries were converted to Catholicism in 10th 
		to 12th centuries, but the Lutheran reformation embraced in 
		all Nordic countries wiped out most of the Catholic customs 
		and memories in the course of the 16th century. Having become 
		a stronghold of protestantism against Catholics in the south 
		and Greek Orthodoxes in the east had some unifying effect on 
		Scandinavia even though wars between the countries kept raging
		on; religion was, after all, the most important basis of ones
		identity well into the 18th century. The Lutheran ideal was
		to require the common people to be able to read the Bible on
		their own, which had a enormous educating effect on the 
		Nordic peoples. This, along with the protestant work ethics, 
		had significant role in the forming of the Scandinavian 
		societies, enabling their economic and cultural growth and the
		pioneering work in increasing social inequality. No doubt it 
		also shaped the national character of each country to a 
		similar direction (a common complaint in Norden: we're such
		joyless, grey and angst-ridden people --> it's all the 
		Lutheran Church's fault! :)
 
 + geography	Norway, Sweden and northern Finland form the Scandinavian
		peninsula.  Denmark is mostly a part of continental Europe,
		while Iceland is situated in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. 
		Except for Iceland, the countries are situated close to each 
		other, often sharing borders with one another, and have access
		to the Baltic Sea. They do not really form a geographical 
		unit, but this is rather irrelevant since seas and waterways
		have historically, instead of separating peoples, united them.
		And we are, after all, talking about the best seafarers of 
		ancient Europe.
 

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Subject: 1.5  What languages are welcome in soc.culture.nordic?

 
 English, naturally, is the most common choice, but threads in Swedish,
 Danish, Norwegian, Sami, Finnish, Icelandic, Faroese, etc. are all perfectly
 suitable for the newsgroup. Fact is, however, that such threads don't appear
 very frequently in s.c.n. There are several reasons for this. First of all,
 not all Nordic languages are mutually intelligible; while Danes, Norwegians
 and Swedes could discuss with each other with only some difficulty, many
 Icelanders and Finns would be left out of the discussion (even though all
 Finns and Icelanders have studied one obligatory Scandinavian language at
 school. That doesn't mean they're necessarily fluent in it).
 
 A third group of people left out of the discussion would, of course, be the
 non-Nordics, who make up a large part of the readership of s.c.n. Therefore,
 threads in Nordic languages don't necessarily get very many readers. Nordics
 in general tend to be relatively fluent in English, so if the topic is of
 general interest, using a language that restricts readership may seem
 slightly pointless. Another reason is, of course, that the soc.* hierarchy
 _is_ international; there is no shortage of national hierarchies (for
 example: sfnet.* in Finland, no.* in Norway, dk.* in Denmark, swnet.* in 
 Sweden and is.* in Iceland) where all discussion is in the Nordic languages.
 Accessing these hierarchies is possible from abroad as well, except for the
 Icelandic one whose distribution (I hear) isn't global. (However, even the
 hierarchies that are distributed globally may not be available at your
 particular site; that is the decision of your system administrator).
 
 But if you're a Nordic student or immigrant living abroad, or if you're
 studying some Nordic language, or if you're of Nordic descent and want
 to practice the language -- whatever your reason is, don't hesitate to start
 a thread in a Nordic language. It brings a welcome change to s.c.n, even if
 we may not want all discussion to be in Nordic languages.
 

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Subject: 1.6  How many people read soc.culture.nordic?

 
 This excerpt is taken from the "USENET Readership Report for Jun 94",
 posted monthly to news.lists.
 
  +--Ranking
  |    +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
  |    |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
  |    |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
  |    |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
  |    |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
  |    |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
  |    |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
  |    |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
  |    |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
  |    |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |
 
 1 800000  6658   92%    37     0.4    43%  0.00  13.5%  news.announce.newusers 
 2 360000  3193   88%  1584     0.2   100%  0.00   6.5%  news.answers 
 3 340000  3170   82%    48     0.1     0%  0.00   6.4%  rec.humor.funny 
 
  |    |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |    . . . . . . . . .
  V    V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
 
417  57000  610   71%   1658    2.7     9%  0.05   1.2%  soc.culture.nordic
 
 The total number of groups listed was 3121. Among the soc.culture.* groups,
 soc.culture.nordic ranked 23rd out of 85 groups.
 
 
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